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Posted 02/05/08 - 12:39 AM:

hyena in petticoat wrote:
lib, you're wonderful. claphug very impressive. nod

thank you smiling face glad i can help.

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Anyway, last night, I dreamt I am hysterical because my mother is quarelling with a neighbor and the neighbor turned my mother into a yellow and black colored beetle-like-creature (magic!), so I was panicking and I don't know what to do because the lady neighbor keeps on attacking my mom (in the form of a beetle). And I ran to my father and he's not panicking but he seems tense. Over the course of the panicking I remember volunteering to be the one to face the angry neighbor because I was thinking my mom could do more good to the family than I. We probably fought, I can't remember. Then I am suddenly aware that I am beside a local male celebrity which in the dream is my brother (I wonder why celebrities keep popping into the picture) and this brother supposedly saved me and took the attack himself. As a result, he's got a bit of facial deformity.

my feeling is that this one represents the struggle between your need for emotional expression and the need for social acceptance. your mother, who in the dream symbolizes your emotional side, has quarrels with the neighbor, who symbolizes your social dynamic. beetles traditionally symbolize transformation and typically have a very negative connotation. her magical metamorphosis into a beetle symbolizes your fear of the "ugly" side of emotionality - the way that it leaves you vulnerable to being attacked and criticized, transformed into a small, mechanistic being which, now reduced to a helpless simplicity, can only express its anger through its black and yellow colors.

in the dream, you look to your father, who symbolizes logic and authority, and although he is not fearful, his tension indicates that this is not a matter from which he can rescue you or your mother. in other words, this is not a problem that logic can solve. your celebrity brother, like the celebrity singer from the other dream, again symbolizes social popularity, which takes a blow to the face, meaning that you feel a loss of social acceptance when forced to confront this need for emotional release. it's like you feel like you're walking around with a facial deformity whenever you have to be emotional around people.

even though your brother in the dream is a male figure, and the masculine archetype is traditionally associated with logic, i feel there's an important differentiation between what the brother and the father symbolize in the dream. while your father represents an authority figure, the brother is more of a peer to you (especially since all of your brothers are younger than you). i feel that he symbolizes your act of selflessness in looking out for your family's best interests (notice that he appears in the dream once you decide to confront the neighbor on your mother's behalf) - in other words, he symbolizes a moral principle: acting for the greater good. it is this moral principle which you feel saved or rescued by in times of emotional distress.

in summary, your need for emotional expression (perhaps sadness, perhaps anger) leaves you feeling vulnerable to being transformed into something small and ugly like a black and yellow beetle, or something embarrassingly obvious like a facial deformity. although logic does not readily offer a solution to this problem (in the same way that doing math problems on a piece of paper does not keep you dry when it's raining), you still feel a sense of relief when able to identify (and implement) a moral principle which serves a greater good.

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Posted 02/05/08 - 3:09 AM:

Hey lib. hug You always help me reflect about certain things. Things that I would have known by myself but never really pondered about. Your readiness in trying to look deep into our dreams is very much appreciated. hug
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Posted 02/14/08 - 10:31 PM:

Hi lib, I had a dream that I was at an arcade room, sitting on this car-racing type game and one of my friends came over to me from the other room, which was very crowded, and was teary-eyed and said to me "God is everything." It was very intense, it seemed that he had just realized something amazing.I was moved by what he had said and it felt like I needed to hear those three words, like I had a weight lifted off of me....then it was over.
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Posted 02/15/08 - 11:32 AM:

hi brinni,

there are a few different aspects of the dream to consider. overall, the dream expresses a transcendent moment in which you experience a sense of divinity in how everything is connected. at first glance, it seems to me that this is the most significant aspect of the dream. however, there are other elements which may also be significant. for example, which one of your friends in the dream expressed the realization to you? - that it was this friend in particular may express a spiritual connection you have with that person. also, whatever events were happening in your real life around the time of the dream, perhaps on that day before the dream, or maybe in the days before, may also be a contributing factor to this realization.

the arcade room may symbolize your life view; perhaps your approach to life before this dream was to see it as a room full of diversions, and you sitting at a car-racing type game may express a feeling of racing through life, not fully taking in how things may be connected as part of a bigger picture. the funny thing about car-racing games is that you can only really see the road in front of you and don't really get much of a chance to get a good look at the landscape around you, because you are moving so fast and your view is limited to the perspective allowed by the video game screen. this may be a metaphor for how you feel you were looking at life before this moment.

did you get a feeling for what was going on in the crowded room? was it part of the arcade and there were games in there too? where was the other room in relation to where you were sitting at the car-racing game? for example, was the room on your left or on your right, and from which direction did your friend approach you?

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Posted 02/15/08 - 4:48 PM:

It was my friend, Mario, who approached me actually, he's on here as MrMario. The other room that was crowded was diagnally to the left behind me and they all seemed like they were talking and visiting. There was no one in the room I was in, until Mario approached me from the crowded room....
Thanks for taking this time, lib smiling face
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Posted 02/17/08 - 2:07 PM:

hi brinni,

in dream interpretation, the left side traditionally symbolizes your spiritual and emotional side. also, since we read from left to right, the left side also symbolizes your past and the right symbolizes your future.

since the room that mario comes out of is on your left side and diagonally behind you, this can have a number of different meanings. the first one that comes to my mind is that these people who are talking and mingling in the crowded room represent a lot of spiritual activity that is going on in the back of your mind. i would speculate that a number of things have happened to you, or to people you know, that have given you a lot to think about, but they're not the kind of things that you think about consciously. it's more like information that you've quietly taken in, and you are gradually becoming aware now of how it's all connected together.

sitting at the car-racing game expresses to me that your perspective in life so far has mostly been limited to a window that someone else created for you, maybe your parents? your dream expresses a spiritual connection in your friendship with mario, such that the window of your perspective is beginning to open up, and you're becoming more aware of the stuff that happened to you in the past (symbolized by the people in the crowded room) and how it relates to you now.

if i were to imagine a continuation of your dream, i have this picture in my mind of more people coming out of the room, one by one, each with important things to tell you, like mario. i think this also expresses something about the way you relate to people, and the way you take information in. it's like your memory keeps track of it all in the back of your mind until your conscious mind is ready to interpret the significance of what you've experienced.

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Posted 02/17/08 - 7:27 PM:

Wow, that makes a lot of sense...
thank you lib smiling face
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Posted 02/17/08 - 7:34 PM:

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Posted 02/17/08 - 7:52 PM:

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Posted 03/06/08 - 6:46 AM:

I had a dream last night, where I walked into my kitchen, my momm and dad began to argue (over what it was, I forgot) and I curled myself up into a ball, kind of like in a fetal position, and started sobbing. This went on and on for the entire dream.
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Posted 03/06/08 - 12:19 PM:

hi mario,

the fetal position is one of many natural responses to trauma. wikipedia has some informative comments about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_position

there are 2 possible interpretations which come to my mind for your dream. the first is very literal, which is that you've experienced some emotional trauma as a result of witnessing your parents fighting. it's possible that the dream expresses how upset you felt about it, even though you may not have been totally aware of it upsetting you at the time (or how much).

the kitchen is a very utilitarian place, where we store and prepare food and so on. that the scene takes place as you're walking into the kitchen indicates to me that you were probably caught off guard by it. sort of like you were just going about your usual business and was not expecting to be this upset about it.

a more symbolic interpretation would be that your parents in the dream symbolize parts of yourself which are in conflict each other. your mother may symbolize your emotional, spiritual self, while your father may symbolize logic, authority and control. it would be like one part of yourself needs everything to make sense and be under control while another part of yourself wants to be free and random and spontaneous. the conflict is causing you to want to withdraw from the world, which is symbolized by the fetal position.

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Posted 03/09/08 - 10:41 PM:

I had another dream a few days later:

It starts with me walking into my room, my little sister is sitting there in my bed with a dog lying down on its back in her lap. She's comforting the dog and then pulls out a pair of orange office sicciors. I knew that she was planing, at that moment, to castrate the dog. Instead of pulling the dog away from her, I try to move the legs of the dog so that she keeps missing when she trys to go for him. I feel anxious at this time, but my sister is very calm and isn't putting up much of a struggle. And the dog isn't whimpering or anythig. It just lies there, like its waiting for its belly to be rubbed.
Then out of nowhere, the dream switches to my little brother an I talking. We are in the house basement and then for no reason, he hits me. I hit him back twice as hard, and then he starts getting really pissed off. He starts chasing me through out the house. And I'm running as fast as I can because when my brother gets rally angry he knocks you down and starts to bar fight. My brother eventually catches me and windes up for the swing, and I wake up.

-Mr. Mario

P.S.- Thanks for the interpretation. The symbolic one makes more sense to me. I have been feeling that conflict lately.
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Posted 03/10/08 - 11:30 AM:

MrMario wrote:
I had another dream a few days later:

It starts with me walking into my room, my little sister is sitting there in my bed with a dog lying down on its back in her lap. She's comforting the dog and then pulls out a pair of orange office sicciors. I knew that she was planing, at that moment, to castrate the dog. Instead of pulling the dog away from her, I try to move the legs of the dog so that she keeps missing when she trys to go for him. I feel anxious at this time, but my sister is very calm and isn't putting up much of a struggle. And the dog isn't whimpering or anythig. It just lies there, like its waiting for its belly to be rubbed.
Then out of nowhere, the dream switches to my little brother an I talking. We are in the house basement and then for no reason, he hits me. I hit him back twice as hard, and then he starts getting really pissed off. He starts chasing me through out the house. And I'm running as fast as I can because when my brother gets rally angry he knocks you down and starts to bar fight. My brother eventually catches me and windes up for the swing, and I wake up.

-Mr. Mario

P.S.- Thanks for the interpretation. The symbolic one makes more sense to me. I have been feeling that conflict lately.


hi mario,

this dream has a similar theme to the one of your parents fighting, except this one expresses specific fears related to each side which is in conflict. in this dream you have your brother and sister representing the masculine and feminine sides, rather than your father and mother. you could simplify even further and say that it is a basic conflict of control vs. surrender, except in a more child-like form since they are being represented by your siblings rather than your parents.

i would say your sister castrating your dog symbolizes the fear of sacrificing your masculinity when expressing your emotional, spiritual side - in other words, fear of not being "a real man". expressing emotionality and spirituality is predominantly a passive art, meaning that you respond to influences which you do not take responsibility for. it is a form of surrender, letting go, allowing inspiration to flow through without trying to control it or necessarily understand it.

on the other hand, you have your brother in the dream representing the masculine side to an extreme degree: a super-aggressive need for control which causes harm and fear to others.

in essence, i would say the dream expresses that these two sides are seeking balance within you. being able to let go vs. being able to exercise your intention and control to an extent you can feel good about.

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Posted 03/14/08 - 1:07 PM:

I'm staying in some kind of temporary accomodation; like a university halls of residence but with even less privacy. A number of men must ahare a room. There are no doors, just rooms off to one side. In the central shared area there is a party; I am anxious to show I 'have what it takes' to be part of this organisation/institution or what ever it is. I see other men around who are able and appear successful with women but I wonder if I am up to it. Strange things are happening to the glasses I am wearing; they keep fragmenting, the frames decay and I walk around looking slightly ridiculous as they no longer complement my appearance. I go into a bathroom area and a girl I like but who is playing hard to get is in the bath with her friends male and female, possibly naked, playing games in the water. I feel lost and apart from the proceedings.
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Posted 03/17/08 - 4:18 PM:

hi nexus,

are you able to describe the geography of the accommodations a bit, in terms of which direction you're facing and how the movement occurs around the scene, in terms of left and right, forward and backward? (these directions have special significance in dream interpretation.) for example, does it start off that you're inside of a bedroom with other men and then you move into the main shared area? where is the bathroom area in relation to the other rooms? and so on.

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Posted 03/17/08 - 6:47 PM:

It's part of some complex (Jung talks about houses/buildings being metaphors for the self). I think it starts from the room areas and develops outwards (I am tempted to think of this as some kind of metaphor for private and public self). The bathroom appears to be in one of the bedroom areas. There is certainly a strong sense of 'test' in all this but everyone is seemingly light hearted and having fun. There seems to be a lack of a boss or leader.
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Posted 03/18/08 - 4:02 PM:

do you get the sense that the building is round, such that you're moving outwards through layers (like donut shape or onion)?
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Posted 03/18/08 - 5:06 PM:

Yes, it reveals itself to me more and more. My memory of it is fading now.
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Posted 03/18/08 - 8:14 PM:

that helps, thanks. i have an interpretation forming... i'll back in a few days to post it.

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Posted 03/22/08 - 12:23 PM:

Nexus wrote:
I'm staying in some kind of temporary accomodation; like a university halls of residence but with even less privacy. A number of men must ahare a room. There are no doors, just rooms off to one side. In the central shared area there is a party; I am anxious to show I 'have what it takes' to be part of this organisation/institution or what ever it is. I see other men around who are able and appear successful with women but I wonder if I am up to it. Strange things are happening to the glasses I am wearing; they keep fragmenting, the frames decay and I walk around looking slightly ridiculous as they no longer complement my appearance. I go into a bathroom area and a girl I like but who is playing hard to get is in the bath with her friends male and female, possibly naked, playing games in the water. I feel lost and apart from the proceedings.

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It's part of some complex (Jung talks about houses/buildings being metaphors for the self). I think it starts from the room areas and develops outwards (I am tempted to think of this as some kind of metaphor for private and public self). The bathroom appears to be in one of the bedroom areas. There is certainly a strong sense of 'test' in all this but everyone is seemingly light hearted and having fun. There seems to be a lack of a boss or leader.

hi nexus,

here the theme of elusive femininity again emerges. you mentioned previously that your mother was not particularly warm nor communicative which meant a strong absence of maternal influence during your formative years. my interpretation is that this and other dreams that you've posted express your desire to restore balance between the masculine and feminine archetypes.

if we look at the accomodations or "house" in the dream as representational of yourself, and if you consider the motion from the inner "circle" of the house moving outwards as representing a kind of time travel - in other words, moving from your younger self and going or growing outward as you mature, like the rings of a tree or the layers of an onion - then we can see how the dream starts off with a very strong masculine influence, by virtue of the fact that you are sharing your accomodations with other men and there are a number of men to a room. i would say this part of the dream expresses the absence of maternal or feminine influence during your younger years that you had previously mentioned.

as you move into the central room or "party" area, this symbolizes the part of your life which introduced you to the need for social integration; perhaps this was the time when you were going to the university, or maybe even earlier, such as high school years. in essence, i would say it was a time of your life when social acceptance began to leap forward in importance. as you say in the dream, you see other men who seem to have some success with this kind of balance, and feeling intellectually confident in your ability to problem-solve, i would venture to guess that it's only natural to wonder, "how hard can it be?"

at this point, your spectacles keep changing your perspective; this is a reflection on how your emotional experiences have shed new light on your intellectual approach, such that you come to the conclusion which you previously expressed, "I realize, or am starting to, on a conscious level that the mental is not enough to embrace existence and happiness fully."

if i may digress momentarily. i heard a quote once, and i don't quite remember how it goes, but it was something to the effect of how something which once saved you now destroys you. it made me think of my smoking cigarettes, and the recreational drugs that i was taking at the time in order to self-medicate, and how once upon a time they were what i needed in order to keep going. and they quite effectively did the job of anaesthetizing the pain, for a time. but at a certain point, i realized that they were doing more harm than good, and it was so difficult to let go. it also made me think of my divorce, and how the relationship which had once been what i so desperately needed was tearing me apart. again, the need to let go. not only to let go but to adapt to changing circumstances. it's such a challenge, though, because that comfort and safety which comes at the beginning establishes a deep attachment which makes the letting go all that much more difficult.

the reason i mention all this is that i get the impression that your intellectual ability is what "saved" you in your younger years. it fortified your ego and made you feel comfortable and safe, so it's understandably difficult to move away from that, especially in the absence of strong feminine role models in your life to help establish some faith in your emotional base.

in your dream, you mentioned that the glasses you're wearing no longer complement your appearance; i would say that this is a reflection on how your personal context has changed in such a way that you are feeling forced to adjust your perspective in order to adapt.

now, we come into the bathroom area of your dream. the woman playing "hard to get" represents your desire to connect with your emotional self. it's interesting to me that she is playing in the tub with other men and women. a couple of days ago, i had a similar dream that had to do with a woman having a sort of orgy in the tub (i believe my dream was inspired by contemplating your dream). in my dream, i felt rather turned off by the whole scene, as if it were an unabashed display of debauchery.

bathtubs are where we go to get clean, so it's possible that you felt the goings-on in the bathtub scene were "dirty" in a moral sense? and perhaps this is deterring your exploration toward emotional growth for fear of compromising your moral values. the lack of a boss or a leader expresses the discomfort in a lack of masculine direction.

last but not least, the recurring theme of being tested, the meaning of which we've previously discussed.

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Posted 03/23/08 - 7:05 AM:

Thanks, a thoughtful and thorough analysis. The bathtub insights were interesting to me and you viewed in the light of other dreamI have posted here. The glasses must be symbolic of the intellect like you say; the fact they are fragmenting does seem to suggest this factor is seen as needing to be reigned in by my larger/wiser Self. I think what we must keep in mind when looking at dreams, as both you and Jung seem to believe, is the fact a large Self speaks, it is a unifying force but it 'points'. It is up to the individual to act on deeper intuitive currents.

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Posted 03/24/08 - 6:43 PM:

you're welcome, and thank you for the feedback.

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Posted 04/23/08 - 7:41 PM:

...I had this dream last night.I was in a trailer with my little brother and Mario. A tornado then hit us and I came on top of Josiah (my little brother) to protect him, but Mario was standing the whole time. It was a very scary scene. We landed at this barren place but there were other survivers from it and different people I know were there, a lot of my close friends. Then this little girl or boy I didn't know came up to us and was holding this white powder, it was cocaine. She/he was happy that this barren place now had a resource which can now help this land to prosper...that was about it.

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Posted 04/23/08 - 10:08 PM:

hi brinni,

reminds me a little bit of "wizard of oz". smiling face a few questions for you:

what part of the trailer were you in?

where was mario standing in relation to you, during the tornado? for example, to your left, right, in front, in back, etc.

was the tornado the reason that the barren place now had the cocaine as a resource?

what was your feeling toward the little boy/girl coming up to you with the cocaine? for example, surprised? not surprised? disturbed? sympathetic? etc.

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Posted 04/24/08 - 7:16 AM:

Yeah, it is a bit like the wizard of oz ^_^

Me and my brother were right next to the wall near the back, Mario was in front of us to the right in the middle of the trailer.
Yes, I think the tornado was the reason for the cocaine.
I was surprised but also happy that now the land could prosper.

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