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Posted 01/12/09 - 3:19 PM:

lib, your interpretation seems to involve items that are relevant to you personally. Since you were a representation in my dream, how does that relate to me? Do you think that people appearing in dreams are in some sense representing themselves? That is, is there a kind of communication or presence going on through the dream, whereby the dreamer is connected to the person dreamed about?

I've often wondered whether when you dream about a person, they have a dream with you in it on the same night, or round about that time.

Following on these questions, here's another dream.

"I was working on a work-project on my cpu, having worked through the night. It was around 6am, and I shut off the cpu and decided to retire, as I was fading out. I layed on my living room couch instead of 'going to bed'. The room was dark, and I was quite sleepy. My living room fused with my old house from childhood, so I was aware that my parents (or others) were sleeping in their rooms down the hall. Suddenly, I hear a voice call out, strong and clear. It mentioned an Irish-type name (O' Flibberty or something), then asked a question: Hanes--do you have a scissor type tool?

I was distured by this loud questioning. It repeated. I thought of the tin-snips (metal cutting scissors) and wondered who the heck needed them and who was doing the calling and to whom they wre referring. It seemed the voice came from in the house and was directed towards the hall where the other rooms were. Finally I got up. I went to the hall and called out: Hello? No answer. I went around past the living room, through the kitchen area and turned left into the landing, which was separated by three stairs and led to the backdoor and the stairs leading to the basement. I called out. 'Hello? Hanes?' I flipped on the basement light. Then, my mother walked from around the corner at the end of the stairs, from the tool room, into the light. She appeared to be licking her fingers, as if she had been eating something delicious. I noted her as being down there and figured that it wasn't her calling out. She came upstairs, and I turned and opened the backdoor and called out again: Hanes? No answer. No one else was there.

My mother was in the kitchen standing with her back to the sink. I had grabbed from her a long metal wire type thing that was extendable and had a bauble on the end. I approach her with suspicion. She was smiling creepily. I struck her with the wire thing, lightly, and questioned, 'what were you doing down stairs?'

She said nothing and kept smiling, her eyes wide. I instinctively knew this visage was not my mother. I began to whip the person with the wire thing and repeatedly asked, 'what were you doing there, mother?'"

I've had dreams like this before, where a person who appears is not who they appear, by all appearances. It seemed like this 'image' was a front from some other being up to mischief or evil.

lib, what do you think about the appearance of such a chameleon or changeling?

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Posted 01/12/09 - 5:38 PM:

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lib, your interpretation seems to involve items that are relevant to you personally. Since you were a representation in my dream, how does that relate to me? Do you think that people appearing in dreams are in some sense representing themselves? That is, is there a kind of communication or presence going on through the dream, whereby the dreamer is connected to the person dreamed about?

jung believed, and this makes sense to me, that when people you know appear in your dreams, they may represent themselves, or they may be an archetype or symbol of something, or likely both are true. given the context, i would interpret your rooster dream as a metaphor for your perceptions of me and how i relate to people. this is only one of many possible interpretations, any or all of which may be true at the same time.

i absolutely do believe that it is possible for people to communicate with each other via dreams. not so much the idea of "ok, here we are both dreaming now, and i'm going to send you like a dream IM", although of course it may work that way at times, who knows. but really the way i see it is more like we pick up a lot of subtle cues from each other by observing one another's behavior, more than we realize consciously, and then our dreams give us insight on how to interpret those cues.

i have an old friend whose name is hardy, and there have been a number of times that he has appeared in my dreams by virtue of what his name means. in other words, as a play on words - his appearance in my dreams indicate hardiness. i had a promiscuous friend in high school named gina, and she occasionally appears in my dreams nowadays representing sexuality (also a possible play on words: gina = vagina). i haven't seen her in probably 20 years or so, so it's been pretty clear to me that she is not representing her actual person in the dream. (or maybe she is, to some small extent, but since i no longer have any contact with her, that context is not useful to me as an interpretation now. context is always the key.)

getting back to your rooster dream, i may have gone in a different direction if the context of the dream had been different. for example, if in the dream, i was married to your best friend when in real life we are obviously not married and don't even know each other, then i would be looking for a more symbolic meaning to my appearance.

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I've often wondered whether when you dream about a person, they have a dream with you in it on the same night, or round about that time.

i do believe this happens sometimes. it's a hard thing to pin down though. now that scientists are beginning to unlock the physiology of memory, this kind of thing may soon be easier to document and explore.

regarding your hanes dream, some questions. when did you have it? when you heard the voice call out with the scissor question, was it a man or woman's voice? (i'm assuming it was a woman's voice.) the dream seems to be connected to a childhood memory. what are tin snips? do you or did you have some in your house as a child?

i'm trying to get a sense of the action that was taking place between you and the apparition of your mother. she followed you back up the stairs? (if you don't mind posting a sketch of the layout of the house, that would be helpful.) do you recall if she had a reaction to you grabbing the tool from her? (sounds like a magic wand)

i will give it some thought and come back later in the week with an interpretation.

thanks,
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Posted 01/12/09 - 7:50 PM:

libertygrl wrote:


regarding your hanes dream, some questions.

when did you have it?


Last night in fact.

libertygrl wrote:

when you heard the voice call out with the scissor question, was it a man or woman's voice?


Clearly and unambiguously a man's voice.

libertygrl wrote:


the dream seems to be connected to a childhood memory.


I often have dreams about the house I grew up in and the surrounding neighbourhood. Why just the other day I was walking down a street (in my dream) when I spied that a beaver had made a dam in the corner of this person's house, causing a little pool to form. Now, I said to myself, that's quite a thing, and unusual for this neighbourhood. I'd love a beaver building a dam in my yard!!

The living room was from my current residence tho.


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what are tin snips? do you or did you have some in your house as a child?


Metal cutting scissors. They look like scissors, but bigger. Used for cutting aluminum, tin. We never had them that I can recall. I encountered them as a roofing tool.

libertygrl wrote:

i'm trying to get a sense of the action that was taking place between you and the apparition of your mother. she followed you back up the stairs?


Starting from the couch where I was lying, straight ahead and off to the right is a hallway that ends in a 'T' shape, where left and right are rooms. Off to my right is the kitchen area. To my left is the living room window. At the far right, at the end of the kitchen, we turn left to face the landing (same direction as the hallway, from where i lay). Down the few steps into the landing, and to the right is the door. To the left and down are the basement stairs. If I turn 180' and look into the kitchen from the landing, I will be looking at the sink area an the far wall of the kitchen.

My mother came up the stairs of her own accord, after I switched on the basement light.

libertygrl wrote:

do you recall if she had a reaction to you grabbing the tool from her? (sounds like a magic wand)


I don't recall. I think I grabbed it as she passed me coming up the stair. I was long and metal and kind of floppy, like a wire-whip. But the end was extendable, and I extended it before I started beating the apparition the second time. There was some bauble or barb on the extended end of it.


The atmosphere was the thing in this dream, as a clear voice rang out of the silent night, coming from unknown and mysterious sources!

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Posted 01/12/09 - 10:59 PM:

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Posted 01/13/09 - 10:03 PM:

It started with an arrival at an airport (doesn't really look like an airport, more like an interior of a house, but in the dream I know it's an airport) and we are in Dubai along with my boss. Then someone called him reporting that one of our colleagues had problem with a supposedly closed deal (client put the cheque "on hold"). So he was really angry. We proceeded to a sort of big old house (which kinda looks like the "airport" we came from) So I was really thrilled to have finally gone to another country to work. The thrill died down immediately though, when we are greeted by cold shoulders from the current employees there (it seems they saw us as a threat to their employment, that we will be taking their places, which I don't think is true). With this and the fact that it's way below our expectations (very lonely, and uptight and with a negative almost scary atmosphere), we decided to leave instead, me, daughter, sis-in-law (who is also my colleague) and his son. As we prepare, I looked in the sky and I saw that a heavy rain is soon gonna fall. I saw an ocean like sky (sort of literally, flat and there's wave and water, in short, like an upside down blue ocean) with uniform clumps of white clouds and we figured we should hurry. We went back to the "airport" just as the rain started. We went through an opening of some sort (below the ground level) which opens to the ocean (as in underneath) and swam through. Meanwhile, boss is very angry that we left and escaped.

Emotions in the dream: intimated and afraid in the house where we were supposed to work. Panicky when we decided to leave.

It's not really a very extraordinary dream but thought I'd share since I remembered it in much detail than normal.

Note: I don't like action packed dreams, it leaves me tired in the morning.

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Posted 01/13/09 - 10:14 PM:

Creepy dream Midnight Monk. eek
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Posted 01/14/09 - 10:26 AM:

MM wrote:
I was working on a work-project on my cpu, having worked through the night. It was around 6am, and I shut off the cpu and decided to retire, as I was fading out. I layed on my living room couch instead of 'going to bed'.

hi MM,

my inclination is to interpret this as another couch dream. one reason is that its occurrence comes on the heels of my interpretation of your rooster dream. thus the topic of the couch and your perceptions of it are fresh in your mind. another reason is that again, the context all makes sense. also, it's easy for me to see myself in the role of the apparition and the way you relate to it at the end of the dream. this of course is because we've been relating to each other here for a long time, so there's a lot of context here for me to draw on. i don't typically get to see you interact with a lot of other people, particularly not other people assuming a maternal role with you.

so here we have the start of the dream, where you are a) working, b) on the computer c) tired and d) headed off to the couch.

MM wrote:
The room was dark, and I was quite sleepy. My living room fused with my old house from childhood, so I was aware that my parents (or others) were sleeping in their rooms down the hall. Suddenly, I hear a voice call out, strong and clear. It mentioned an Irish-type name (O' Flibberty or something), then asked a question: Hanes--do you have a scissor type tool?

did some googling on the name "o'flibberty". here's something i found that seems eerily appropriate; a verse from an opera called "the grand duke" by gilbert & sullivan:

Gilbert & Sullivan wrote:
"But when compared with other crimes,
for which our heads he’ll batter, O!
This flibberty gibberty
Kind of liberty
Scarcely seems to matter, O!"

o'flibberty could be a play on words = "of liberty". (on the heels of the previous interpretation, it makes sense to me that wordplay would appear in a subsequent dream.)

also, i discovered that a "flibberty gibbert" is a slang term for a young woman. one urban dictionary has this as a definition:

urban dictionary wrote:
FLIBBERTY GIBBERT (Female) One who propagates flights of fancy, conjecture, gossip, lies or fanciful opinion in the public domain.

in this context, it's easy to see the couch as a public domain for fanciful opinion; me being the admin, i fit the definition of the term.

it sounds like you used to work for a roofing company? when i google the word "hanes", i see that there is a supply company called hanes supply which sells rigging equipment and construction supplies. since they also manufacture wire rope slings, it makes sense that you would call such a supply company to ask if they have metal cutting scissors. it could be that this is an actual memory from having worked at a roofing company - maybe you heard someone at some point talking on the phone, calling hanes to ask if they have such scissors.

even if it is indeed a "sound bite" from an actual memory, its use in this context would naturally be metaphorical. so in the context of the dream, it could be that the voice calling out is your inner voice, the voice of your subconscious waking you up, looking for scissors - possibly to sever some ties? in light of this and the ruffling of feathers in the rooster dream, i hope i haven't offended you in some way. let me keep going, though, i'll get back to this.

MM wrote:
I was distured by this loud questioning. It repeated. I thought of the tin-snips (metal cutting scissors) and wondered who the heck needed them and who was doing the calling and to whom they wre referring. It seemed the voice came from in the house and was directed towards the hall where the other rooms were. Finally I got up. I went to the hall and called out: Hello? No answer. I went around past the living room, through the kitchen area and turned left into the landing, which was separated by three stairs and led to the backdoor and the stairs leading to the basement. I called out. 'Hello? Hanes?' I flipped on the basement light. Then, my mother walked from around the corner at the end of the stairs, from the tool room, into the light.

here, i see the apparition of your mother as representing myself, particularly in light of my comment in the rooster dream interpretation where i attribute myself as having a nurturing nature.

MM wrote:
She appeared to be licking her fingers, as if she had been eating something delicious.

finger-licking food makes me think of fried chicken (which may be drawing on the symbolism of the rooster dream). if the mother apparition does indeed represent me, it may be that you are skeptical or distrustful of me assuming a maternal role.

MM wrote:
I noted her as being down there and figured that it wasn't her calling out. She came upstairs, and I turned and opened the backdoor and called out again: Hanes? No answer. No one else was there.

My mother was in the kitchen standing with her back to the sink. I had grabbed from her a long metal wire type thing that was extendable and had a bauble on the end. I approach her with suspicion. She was smiling creepily. I struck her with the wire thing, lightly, and questioned, 'what were you doing down stairs?'

wikipedia says "A bauble was originally a stick with a weight attached, used in weighing a child's toy, but especially the mock symbol of office carried by a court jester."

traditional dream symbolism would consider "upstairs" the intellectual domain and "downstairs" the emotional or spiritual domain. your discomfort and suspicion that the mother apparition was "downstairs" indicates to me a desire to protect yourself emotionally. you take from her (or me) the "scepter" and strike her with it lightly. the bauble or barb suggests joking around or giving someone a hard time.

MM wrote:
She said nothing and kept smiling, her eyes wide. I instinctively knew this visage was not my mother. I began to whip the person with the wire thing and repeatedly asked, 'what were you doing there, mother?'"

her failure to respond to the jesting reinforces your distrust and you continue to do so more vigorously, repeatedly questioning her motivation.

of course, it is entirely possible that this mother apparition represents someone other than myself. in fact, i would suggest that any time a person gets close to you emotionally, your natural reaction is to respond in jest, "extending" your jester's tool to put distance between yourself and the other person. however, considering all the preceding context, and its relevance in the way that you and i relate to each other, i will apply it to myself and address it.

my mother is schizophrenic and suffers from severe post-traumatic disorder. so i didn't really have a mother growing up, not a maternal one anyway. i had to be a mother to myself, and to my sister. it's just how i am. it's a role i assume naturally. it seems to me that there are plenty of other places people can go if they want to relate by "boxing" each other and laughing about it.

i don't want to have a life without humor, though. it's just i've suffered a lot of abuse in my life. so if i have a hard time responding to your jesting, that is one reason. many times i do smile and say nothing. but another reason is that, especially here in a text-only environment, "giving someone a hard time" is way too easy to be misunderstood. i want to have a place where people treat each other with respect.

so, getting back to what i was saying earlier, i'm sorry if i've offended you somehow. maybe you and i are at two extremes looking for balance between taking things more seriously and taking things less seriously. whatever the case, you are a dear friend, t. i hope you will stick around.

MM wrote:
I've had dreams like this before, where a person who appears is not who they appear, by all appearances. It seemed like this 'image' was a front from some other being up to mischief or evil.

lib, what do you think about the appearance of such a chameleon or changeling?

i think in simplest terms, the trickster manifesting and revealing itself.

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Posted 01/14/09 - 10:32 AM:

hi hyena,

is the boss in your dream the same boss you are currently working for? also, are you planning to stay at your current job if or after you move in a few months?

i will give it some thought. back in a few days, this weekend or sooner if possible.

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Posted 01/14/09 - 1:01 PM:

Very interesting take, lib. Here's what I thought of the phenomena myself. I'll add a few comments on your interpretation below.

My take: I 'entered' the dream as if coming out of a haze. My first realization was that I had been working all night, since 2am, thus it was time to quit and go to sleep. So I went to lay down. At that point exhaustion came over me, and I was about to doze off (literally going to sleep while I was asleep!). But, the clear voice ringing out of an unknown place woke me. It brought me out of my exhaustion and into wakefulness again, in such a striking manner that was clear and distinct. It was, as one might call it, a proto-lucid dream. I wasn't aware that I was dreaming, but I was keenly aware nontheless, with my senses heightened. I was on the verge of lucidity, but just not quite there. Hence the dream begins to take a more sureal setting.

My take on this, referrring to the idea of apparitions that appear in familiar forms but are 'not' the people they are supposed to be (are empty inside) is this. This form of character is illuminated only in these proto-lucid or lucid states of heightened dream awareness, and reflect the fact that the dreamer is looking at their own reflection. That is, the apparition seems 'unreal' and 'fake' or 'empty' because it is only a reflection of the creation of the mind of the dreamer and has no 'soul'. Hence the person gives a sense of 'strangeness' as an unsouled creature stalking out of the shadows.

This seems to corroborate other dreams I've had where this proto-lucidity leads me to take on and destroy or overcome a 'monster' by realizing it is 'empty' and thus powerless.

libertygrl wrote:

my inclination is to interpret this as another couch dream. one reason is that its occurrence comes on the heels of my interpretation of your rooster dream. thus the topic of the couch and your perceptions of it are fresh in your mind. another reason is that again, the context all makes sense. also, it's easy for me to see myself in the role of the apparition and the way you relate to it at the end of the dream. this of course is because we've been relating to each other here for a long time, so there's a lot of context here for me to draw on. i don't typically get to see you interact with a lot of other people, particularly not other people assuming a maternal role with you.

so here we have the start of the dream, where you are a) working, b) on the computer c) tired and d) headed off to the couch.


did some googling on the name "o'flibberty". here's something i found that seems eerily appropriate; a verse from an opera called "the grand duke" by gilbert & sullivan:


o'flibberty could be a play on words = "of liberty". (on the heels of the previous interpretation, it makes sense to me that wordplay would appear in a subsequent dream.)

also, i discovered that a "flibberty gibbert" is a slang term for a young woman. one urban dictionary has this as a definition:


Well, to be honest, I couldn't recall the actual name called out. There were f's and an o' at the start. I think. I can't really be sure about it.

Flibbertigibbet is a funny word. It appears in Shakespeare, but these days is out of fashion, though I remember reading where one commentator said of H. Clinton that 'shes no flibbertigibbet'. Let's bring it back into fashion! lol

I don't think this dream had much to do with the couchforum though. My mom had appeared also as a prominent character in that dream with the beaver dam I mentioned, though not in a spooky way.


libertygrl wrote:

it sounds like you used to work for a roofing company? when i google the word "hanes", i see that there is a supply company called hanes supply which sells rigging equipment and construction supplies. since they also manufacture wire rope slings, it makes sense that you would call such a supply company to ask if they have metal cutting scissors. it could be that this is an actual memory from having worked at a roofing company - maybe you heard someone at some point talking on the phone, calling hanes to ask if they have such scissors.

even if it is indeed a "sound bite" from an actual memory, its use in this context would naturally be metaphorical. so in the context of the dream, it could be that the voice calling out is your inner voice, the voice of your subconscious waking you up, looking for scissors - possibly to sever some ties? in light of this and the ruffling of feathers in the rooster dream, i hope i haven't offended you in some way. let me keep going, though, i'll get back to this.


Interesting thing about Hanes. I'm pretty sure that wasn't a sound byte though. Not like a memory at all, and the voice was unfamiliar. Indeed, I have been having some roofing dreams lately as well, as I do from time to time, so that theme is not uncommon. But the combination is quite random.

libertygrl wrote:

here, i see the apparition of your mother as representing myself, particularly in light of my comment in the rooster dream interpretation where i attribute myself as having a nurturing nature.

finger-licking food makes me think of fried chicken (which may be drawing on the symbolism of the rooster dream). if the mother apparition does indeed represent me, it may be that you are skeptical or distrustful of me assuming a maternal role.


Yeah, it made me think that there was some evil devilry going on downstairs!!! eekeekeek


libertygrl wrote:

traditional dream symbolism would consider "upstairs" the intellectual domain and "downstairs" the emotional or spiritual domain. your discomfort and suspicion that the mother apparition was "downstairs" indicates to me a desire to protect yourself emotionally. you take from her (or me) the "scepter" and strike her with it lightly. the bauble or barb suggests joking around or giving someone a hard time.

her failure to respond to the jesting reinforces your distrust and you continue to do so more vigorously, repeatedly questioning her motivation.


Interesting.


libertygrl wrote:

of course, it is entirely possible that this mother apparition represents someone other than myself. in fact, i would suggest that any time a person gets close to you emotionally, your natural reaction is to respond in jest, "extending" your jester's tool to put distance between yourself and the other person. however, considering all the preceding context, and its relevance in the way that you and i relate to each other, i will apply it to myself and address it.


Yeah, here's another dimension to this apparition.

I was speaking the other night about ghosts and a ghostly experience I had years ago. Well, unexplained, let's say. In another house (not related to the dream), I had a sister who was at one time seeing 'apparitions' in her room at night that appeared like our mother, but clearly NOT her. They were oppressive energies, quite probably dreams like mine. Around the same time, one night I came up stairs to ask my mom something, but couldn't find her. Sometime when we call she'd hide to avoid us, lol, so I searched out the floor. I saw her in her distinctive pj's hurrying down the stairs, which wound around and down in a 'c' fashion. I though, oh no you dont!! and fled after her. But when I got downstairs, she was no where to be found. I looked in every room, but she wasn't in the basement at all, and she didn't 'get past me' either, since there's only one way up. Puzzled, I went upstairs and found her coming out of the bathroom. I said eek, lol.

That story was more fresh in mind when I had this dream, I think.


libertygrl wrote:

so, getting back to what i was saying earlier, i'm sorry if i've offended you somehow. maybe you and i are at two extremes looking for balance between taking things more seriously and taking things less seriously. whatever the case, you are a dear friend, t. i hope you will stick around.


heheh...absolutely no offense whatsoever! And actually, there was another dimension to the rooster dream (another sequence that preceeded it) that would lead me to believe exactly the opposite. With that in mind I am inclined to see the dream, if it had any significance at all, as being a reflection of a desire to stay connected to important people in my life, roosters and all!! wink

cheers,

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Posted 01/14/09 - 3:32 PM:

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Well, to be honest, I couldn't recall the actual name called out. There were f's and an o' at the start. I think. I can't really be sure about it.

way back, when i first started studying dream interpretation, i used to be frustrated oftentimes by how much information is lost in translating the experience of the dream to words. the original dream experience may even vary greatly from one's own memory of it, and then add on top of that whatever variance occurs in communicating the experience through words to another person, or even to yourself much later after you've mostly forgotten the original dream. i decided at some point that all you can do is treat the written version of the dream as its own entity, and just go with it. almost anything we examine closely in a symbolic context can be useful for reflection, whether it is a dream, a personal anecdote, a piece of art, or what have you. personally i don't believe there's such thing as "right" or "wrong" interpretations, more so what resonates or what doesn't.

thanks for sharing your thoughts and personal experiences, i do see how they may have colored the dream.

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Posted 01/14/09 - 8:12 PM:

lib wrote:
is the boss in your dream the same boss you are currently working for?


yes.

also, are you planning to stay at your current job if or after you move in a few months?


If I have a better option. If only I have a better option. rolling eyes

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It started with an arrival at an airport (doesn't really look like an airport, more like an interior of a house, but in the dream I know it's an airport) and we are in Dubai along with my boss. Then someone called him reporting that one of our colleagues had problem with a supposedly closed deal (client put the cheque "on hold"). So he was really angry. We proceeded to a sort of big old house (which kinda looks like the "airport" we came from) So I was really thrilled to have finally gone to another country to work. The thrill died down immediately though, when we are greeted by cold shoulders from the current employees there (it seems they saw us as a threat to their employment, that we will be taking their places, which I don't think is true). With this and the fact that it's way below our expectations (very lonely, and uptight and with a negative almost scary atmosphere), we decided to leave instead, me, daughter, sis-in-law (who is also my colleague) and his son. As we prepare, I looked in the sky and I saw that a heavy rain is soon gonna fall. I saw an ocean like sky (sort of literally, flat and there's wave and water, in short, like an upside down blue ocean) with uniform clumps of white clouds and we figured we should hurry. We went back to the "airport" just as the rain started. We went through an opening of some sort (below the ground level) which opens to the ocean (as in underneath) and swam through. Meanwhile, boss is very angry that we left and escaped.

Emotions in the dream: intimated and afraid in the house where we were supposed to work. Panicky when we decided to leave.

It's not really a very extraordinary dream but thought I'd share since I remembered it in much detail than normal.

Note: I don't like action packed dreams, it leaves me tired in the morning.

hello miss hyena,

airports are symbols of ambition and opportunity. dubai, a mega-metropolis financial hub and one of the fastest growing cities in the world, is a natural extension of those themes. in light of your possible upcoming move, i get the sense that you have a lot of excitement about the potential for growth in your career in connection with the move.

having the cheque "on hold", threatening the security of the deal, could refer to the uncertainty of not knowing whether the government loan will be approved. even if the deal does go through, you then have the fears of not being accepted in your new community. the appearance of your sister-in-law, your nephew(?), and daughter in the dream may represent reasons for hesitation in going ahead with the move. the ocean of water looming overhead and threat of rain (symbolic tears) could represent a strong feeling of sadness and disappointment confronting you if things don't work out for you in your new situation.

sounds like a lot of stress! i hope things work out for you. if you do get to your new place and find that people feel threatened by you, it could just be a matter of time to earn their trust. your attitude in the dream is not one of wanting to destroy other people's jobs, and i think people will be able to see that, as they get to know you. and also, any kind of major transition is never easy at first. remember to be patient and have faith in yourself. it will get better.

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Posted 01/18/09 - 8:13 AM:

Hi everyone.
Sorry for just appearing out of nowhere like this. Been Sidetracked by life alot.

Anyway, I wanted help with this dream:
I didn't see me in it but there was and old man who spoke to me. He looked Like one of the villagers in those isolated Mexican puebloes, with the poncho and sombrerro and everything. Anyway, In his left hand he held a rope that was tied to a donkey, and in his other hand, he held a painted tin mug. He held it upside down and looked at it one eye closed. He held it up and imagend putting it on the peak of a mouantain that was right next to us. He then looked at me and said "What are you going to tell her about the mouantain?"
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Posted 01/18/09 - 10:59 AM:

hi mario,

i will give it some thought. back in a few days.

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Posted 01/18/09 - 9:16 PM:

thanks lib. smiling face

That kinda makes sense actually. nod Though instead of "potential for growth in my career in connection with the move", it probably says more about potential growth for my life in general. I hope. :p I'll keep my fingers crossed. smiling face

thanks again! smiling face
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hyena in petticoat wrote:
thanks lib. smiling face

That kinda makes sense actually. nod Though instead of "potential for growth in my career in connection with the move", it probably says more about potential growth for my life in general. I hope. :p I'll keep my fingers crossed. smiling face

thanks again! smiling face

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hi mario, two quick questions: do you remember what the painting on the mug was like? do you remember which eye he closed?
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Posted 01/22/09 - 4:35 PM:

It was just a blue painted tin mug and he held his left eye closed.


Is it: left sides means femmininity and blue means sadness?
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Posted 01/22/09 - 8:32 PM:

Hey lib, another dream. No hurries though. If you're busy and stuff, you can interpret another time. Just posting so I won't forget. Thanks, and I hope I'm not bothering you too much with these dreams I'm having. smiling face

I awoke in the dark to see outlines of big and small cockroaches in a wall to my left. Lots of roaches. I got the long lighter (the one like I have at home to light the stove) to burn the roaches. But they attacked and swarmed on my hands, covering it with themselves thickly. I fought them off and try to push it off (they seem to have formed a thick, cloth-like layer). I succeeded but found that I have been bitten several times on the arm they attacked (right arm).

To our horror, me and my mom (which suddenly appeared in the dream) saw thousand and thousands of small roaches"swimming" in the ocean which I discovered is surrounding us. They swam forward/ around in a thick band. (The next events are kinda unclear), I just remembered swimming and then arriving at the other end of a pool with my grandmother.
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MrMario wrote:
Hi everyone.
Sorry for just appearing out of nowhere like this. Been Sidetracked by life alot.

Anyway, I wanted help with this dream:
I didn't see me in it but there was and old man who spoke to me. He looked Like one of the villagers in those isolated Mexican puebloes, with the poncho and sombrerro and everything. Anyway, In his left hand he held a rope that was tied to a donkey, and in his other hand, he held a painted tin mug. He held it upside down and looked at it one eye closed. He held it up and imagend putting it on the peak of a mouantain that was right next to us. He then looked at me and said "What are you going to tell her about the mouantain?"

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It was just a blue painted tin mug and he held his left eye closed.

Is it: left sides means femmininity and blue means sadness?

hi mario,

yes, you're right, the left side traditionally symbolizes femininity, or it may also symbolize spirituality and emotions. blue may symbolize sadness, or in a broader sense may also symbolize emotions.

i would say that the old man represents a voice of wisdom coming from your subconscious. taking the form of a villager from a mexican pueblo indicates to me a respect that you have for your heritage.

in his left hand, he holds a rope tied to a donkey. donkeys, or burros, as you probably know, are very important animals in mexican culture, because as beasts of burden, they are often used for carrying people and crops up and down the mountain, especially in remote areas that cars and trucks have trouble getting around in. i would say that they are a symbol of hard work, and of struggle.

since the donkey is in his left hand, and left traditionally symbolizes femininity, or emotionality, or spirituality, i would say that these are things you associate with hard work and with struggle.

in his right hand, he has the tin mug painted blue. i would say that the mug symbolizes artisanship, or something that is crafted by hand. in other words, it represents something that you or someone has created. holding it upside down indicates to me that maybe it is empty of emotions. like, it's painted blue but there's no real sadness inside. this is because the left eye is closed - you can't see the sadness because the emotions are closed off.

then the old man imagines putting the cup on top of the mountain. this could mean a number of different things. if the cup is right side up when he did this, it could be a suggestion that you need to climb to the top of the mountain in order to "fill" your cup. filling your cup in this context could mean creating meaningful art that expresses your true emotions.

but if the cup was upside down when he did this, it may mean that there is a mountain of emotions contained in the cup. either way, the meaning is very similar because, in order to get to the top of the mountain, you will most likely need the help of the donkey in your other hand. so it's like the old man is asking you what your answer is about the mountain? how will you get to the top while remaining blind to the feminine side of human nature?

feel free to let me know if you have any questions. you may also be interested in hyena's dream interpretation below, which also talks about becoming more balanced with masculinity vs. femininity.

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hyena in petticoat wrote:
Hey lib, another dream. No hurries though. If you're busy and stuff, you can interpret another time. Just posting so I won't forget. Thanks, and I hope I'm not bothering you too much with these dreams I'm having. smiling face

I awoke in the dark to see outlines of big and small cockroaches in a wall to my left. Lots of roaches. I got the long lighter (the one like I have at home to light the stove) to burn the roaches. But they attacked and swarmed on my hands, covering it with themselves thickly. I fought them off and try to push it off (they seem to have formed a thick, cloth-like layer). I succeeded but found that I have been bitten several times on the arm they attacked (right arm).

To our horror, me and my mom (which suddenly appeared in the dream) saw thousand and thousands of small roaches"swimming" in the ocean which I discovered is surrounding us. They swam forward/ around in a thick band. (The next events are kinda unclear), I just remembered swimming and then arriving at the other end of a pool with my grandmother.


hi hyena,

no worries, i thoroughly enjoy dream interpretation, you're welcome to post any time. i will always let you know if i need extra time to get back to you.

your dream expresses a natural fear of the feminine aspect of human nature. as you may recall, in dream interpretation, masculinity and femininity are not about being male or female. they express 2 opposite ends of a spectrum. masculinity is about taking action and having control. it is associated with logic and science. femininity, on the other hand, is about surrender, thus it is also related to emotionality and spirituality.

we live in a society nowadays where there is a strong emphasis on action and achievement, and taking responsibility. because of this, it is very common to have a fear of letting go and just letting life take its course. and it's not that we should just let everything go all the time, it's more that we are continually faced with the challenge of knowing when to take action and when to let go. these are things that become more clear to you the older you get and the more you learn from your mistakes.

when you attack the roaches with your right hand, you find that this makes them angry and they bite you. this is because you are really attacking part of yourself, and causing yourself pain. imagine if you had a bruise on your left arm, and you tried to get rid of it by setting it on fire. of course, this will only make the pain worse. when you have a bruise, there is nothing you can do to make it heal faster. all you can do is wait. this is how it is with the feminine side of nature. all you can do is surrender yourself to the experience.

i had a dream very similar to this once. in the dream, i was in a swimming pool full of beetles. it totally freaked me out, but i knew intuitively that if i didn't bother them, they wouldn't bother me. it challenges you to learn how to be at peace with yourself, and just let things be sometimes. meditation is a good tool for helping you get the "right" and "left" in balance. a few years ago, i took a meditation class that really helped me a lot. there are lots of different meditation techniques out there, with lots of informative websites (try googling "meditation") if you're interested in checking it out.

notice that at end of the dream, you arrived at the end of the pool with your grandmother. i would say that she symbolizes a mature feminine wisdom which you were able to achieve after surrendering to the experience.

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Had an interesting nightmare.

I was on vacation, traveling near a sparsely populated coast. My destination was a stretch of beach notorious for rare sightings of famous people who had disappeared (retired) and had turned into recluses and crackpots.

A few other spectators, tourists, were there beside me, but they were unusual types of people -- a kind with strange tastes who go to weird and perhaps even dangerous places for an experience.

As I was walking a man or woman notified me that that he/she sighted Mr. So and So, apparently a really famous artist decades ago. As I approached I was taken aback and my stomach turned.

This once artist was almost completely nude and not very human looking. His torso was stretched vertically and there was a triangular slash or hole in his chest. The overall affect was that he was modifying his body in an extreme way but there was no reason or sanity left in him. It was as if he transgressed the limits of art entirely and was at the mercy of some terrible force which consumed him.

There was the impression that the man once had true celebrity status. Then there was the shock seeing what he had become given his history, and the near inability to believe that it was the same man. Disgust was also felt when I become aware of myself and the other who came to view this creature; it felt wrong.

Edited by Nihil Loc on 01/25/09 - 3:31 AM
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hi nihil,

did you get the sense the artist was trying to create art out of his own body? was the triangle in his chest upside down or right side up?

sounds like a very sad dream.

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Wow. Thanks lib. I never would have thought of it that way. It's something I shall be mulling over. smiling face

Thanks again and again and again. hug
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I had a pretty crazy dream last night and i can not make any sence of it maybe somebody here can.

In this dream I was living in a big house.The backyard was full of overgrown grass that made a transition to big bushes, that went up to at least twelve feet high, this made everything beyond that impossible to see, making the dream feel very linear.

I lived in this house with many other residents. I heard rumors from everyone that marilyn monroe use to live in the upstairs part of the house but it was locked up, and no one was allowed up there.

The house was very nice and every thing was clean and organized, but as I was sitting in my room, I started focusing on a few particles of light that were coming through the floor, as I gazed at the light I noticed that the floor had rusty nails coming through it, and the planks of wood were warped and discolored, after seeing this I left my room and it seemed as if no one was there, it looked as if the house had been empty for years. For some reason at that time I remembered marilyn monroe and I thought I had it all figured out but I cant remember what it was.

I cant remember anything else from that point although I feel that there was more to it. Usually I have some idea what my dreams mean, but as for this one I am totally stumped.*peace*
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