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Posted 02/26/09 - 9:57 PM:

Brilliant response and thanks. However that would mean evolution does occur with a logic. if it was arbitrary then it would not have reasoned like you did. if it was arbitrary, there should have been many species and then may be by your logic, they becoming extinct. but that so many unnecessary species never occurred, that itself is proof enough to suggest evolution is progressing in some fashion. Most species in the earth have some logic to their existence, again supporting some fashion in the process.

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Posted 02/27/09 - 10:28 AM:

The foundations of evolution are on one side the physical and chemical laws that govern all other natural processes: mutation, and on the other side the natural interactions between organisms. I think this is what makes the theory so elegant and attractive.

I shouldn't think it has a purpose or direction other than to fit its environment.

More later. Cheers.
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Posted 03/15/09 - 2:13 AM:

" If the evolution is also without reason, we should have more creatures in our midst. "

Really? How many creatures do we need in our midst... (lets say at a 95% confidence level wink )
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Posted 03/15/09 - 8:31 AM:

Nihil Loc wrote:
When Ben talks with Richard Dawkins in the end of the film, Dawkins seems to admit what what Midnight Monk has stated:

MM wrote:
Evolution, however, cannot explain the origin of life.


He then goes on to propose that alien life (an intelligent designer) could have had a hand in providing some structures out of which life on earth has evolved.


but then evolution doesn't exist to explain the origin of life, only the diversity of life. the idea that it even should explain both follows from the assumption that evolution is a replacement for god, which it isn't. the religious belief is that god created life and diversity. when asked to explain two different things, science may offer at least one theory for each.

you wouldn't ask science to explain motion all in one theory, and if life is more complicated than motion, it makes no sense for it to be explained in one theory either. neatly explaining everything in one go is a task better served by mythology. naturally this is aimed at ben stein more than anyone here.
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Posted 03/15/09 - 4:24 PM:

happycynic wrote:
but then evolution doesn't exist to explain the origin of life, only the diversity of life. the idea that it even should explain both follows from the assumption that evolution is a replacement for god, which it isn't. the religious belief is that god created life and diversity. when asked to explain two different things, science may offer at least one theory for each.

you wouldn't ask science to explain motion all in one theory, and if life is more complicated than motion, it makes no sense for it to be explained in one theory either. neatly explaining everything in one go is a task better served by mythology. naturally this is aimed at ben stein more than anyone here.


Neo-Darwinism can be a bit unnerving though insofar as it creatively tends to exceed what it can justifiably explain. Take for example, Memetics. It is not sound science so much as application of natural selection to the cultural realm of ideas and information.

As I see it, the media inflation of Darwinism via Dawkins and Dennett provides a scapegoat for U.S. political conservatives and religious fundamentalists; the theory doesn't undermine the old tradition and values anymore than all of the other radical ideas, cultural innovations and technologies have.

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Posted 03/16/09 - 12:33 AM:

i cannot stand dawkins. he is the secular smarmy know-it-all equivalent of smarmy know-it-all theists.

it's as though they were handing out reasons to be an jerk, and they ran low on "jesus" so they opened up the the "strong atheist" barrel. of course atheists don't have a monopoly on evolution any more than theists have a monopoly on ethics, but dawkins is an extremist.
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Posted 03/16/09 - 2:08 PM:

happycynic wrote:
i cannot stand dawkins. he is the secular smarmy know-it-all equivalent of smarmy know-it-all theists.


wink Dawkins is doing a scientific caricature of these know-it-all theists for popular appeal. My bet is that he wants to be controversial. It certainly has sold him some books.
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Posted 03/16/09 - 8:47 PM:

Nihil Loc wrote:


wink Dawkins is doing a scientific caricature of these know-it-all theists for popular appeal. My bet is that he wants to be controversial. It certainly has sold him some books.


i'm sure many of these "theists" are the same way, i just don't think it's any cuter when he does it.
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