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Into the Wild and Puer Aeternus

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Posted 07/16/10 - 10:00 PM:

IDK, what to think about this. It reminds me of the case with Ted Kaczynski. It's a very dangerous path.
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Posted 07/16/10 - 10:31 PM:

Only if we had a map to help coordinate our thoughts.

If Puer Aeternus is "here" then how do we evaluate where Ted Kacynski is placed.

Perhaps idea and person are united by a nexus of morality, which is further aligned with notions of normalness, domestication and society.

My thought process is binary in a way: contrasting between two categories, as in good and bad, ethical versus non-ethical. We can't cleanly assign places, but the good and the bad converge in the puer archetype in a tantalizing way.

Where the process of suffering in life (loss or objectless desire) affects one in a particular way, either to self destruction, mild disease, or to a wandering, tepid, life is good because it so bad kind of way.

LOL, wait.

Ted K.'s was an puer aeternus (disconnected from the ground) and his verticality was in making bombs and killing people.

So many people suffer through growing up. The puer archetype is just a magnifying glass for the harms of initiation. It is if we are at a gate that may or may not kill us when we walk through -- that is the feeling, my hairs stand up on my arms and I want to think back on my life, as good enough in itself, that if I do pass on, it is a risk I'm willing to take.

The sense I get is that we are bound by an unconscious process of growing up: we get burned.

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Another thought using analogy:

Ground is to normalcy, domestication, society, common sense, awareness
AS
Verticality (free flying) is to freedom, wildness, anarchy, whim, unconsciousness

Edited by Nihil Loc on 07/16/10 - 10:37 PM
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Posted 07/16/10 - 10:39 PM:

Is this a steam of consciousness experiment? confused
edit: sent you a IM at PF.
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Posted 07/20/10 - 11:42 AM:

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Since I draw bits and pieces from the long discredited analytic psychology of Jung

long discredited, really? i hadn't heard about that, what happened? curious to know by whom, or in what way?

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Hi. Not really. I thought that's what he threw away, when going into the wild. I mean all these 'roles'.

I just thought that this thread is trying to place this free person into some 'constraints'.

bear in mind that to suggest that he fulfilled the role of the puer eternus is not to say that he was *trying* to fulfill any role. quite the contrary, by its very definition.

the puer eternus is merely the archetype of the eternal child - willful and free. in what way is it constraining to describe him as such?

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Posted 07/21/10 - 5:05 AM:

Lib wrote:
long discredited, really? i hadn't heard about that, what happened? curious to know by whom, or in what way?


Well, I've always had the impression that real intellectuals don't care for psychology and believe it to be mere pseudo science. There was actually a book in my University library I discovered called What is Wrong with Jung
which outlined various arguments as to why we can't invest Jung's work with much truth value. PF members have made similar arguments I think.

Even events of his own autobiography are nigh preposterous.

But I wouldn't want to throw the baby out with the bath water. There is insight in Jung as far as the interpretations of myth go and I enjoy his diagram of the psyche.

What is Wrong with Jung

Read the book review contained in the link above.
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Posted 10/06/10 - 8:39 AM:

this topic is hereby declared the most widely sought out couch subject by google searchers.

ok, last post forreal.

into the wild and puer aeternus,
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Posted 10/07/10 - 8:41 AM:

Hello!
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My review of the movie is here: http://www.thecouchforum.com/comments.php?id=1891.

I don't find that protagonist is akin to the archetype mentioned. I rather find him similar to Nietzschean genius--grown up and living dangerously.

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Perhaps I have not fully understood that archetype.


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Thinker13 wrote:
Perhaps I have not fully understood that archetype.


Maybe there isn't much to understand really. Our afterthoughts (reactions) about a story are seldom too radical that we might suspend our judgement and meet an early (or late) demise like Alex (which is to say we are what we are). Nobody outside of or most immediate sphere of influence cares all that much. Generally are act of consumption entails something like this: "I liked (or did not like) the film." Then bits and bobbles follow (like Puer Aeternus or Nietzschean genius) in desirous act of communicating what has been affected in us.

I enjoyed Into the Wild because I'd like to have that kind of courage and even recklessness within me to experience not only the wild landscapes of nature but other (e)scapes in life.
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Posted 01/27/12 - 3:58 PM:

Nihil Loc wrote:


Maybe there isn't much to understand really. Our afterthoughts (reactions) about a story are seldom too radical that we might suspend our judgement and meet an early (or late) demise like Alex (which is to say we are what we are).



'Seldom', indeed.



Nobody outside of or most immediate sphere of influence cares all that much. Generally are act of consumption entails something like this: "I liked (or did not like) the film." Then bits and bobbles follow (like Puer Aeternus or Nietzschean genius) in desirous act of communicating what has been affected in us.


Yes, very much so. Associations with previously accumulated knowledge. But there might be profound stories as well, which radically affect you and I do remember a few stories which did so for me; especially the Zen stories.

I enjoyed Into the Wild because I'd like to have that kind of courage and even recklessness within me to experience not only the wild landscapes of nature but other (e)scapes in life.



One more point. Apart from likes and dislikes and the bits and bobbles following out of urge to communicate with others, there might well be an activity done just to improve your own understanding by describing the perceptions you had because of the story. There might well be an attempt to just observe the archetypes and there might be close observation into the nature of things which move you and it all may make you wonder about the influences under which the creator ( Auteur) of the story created this significant piece.
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